1 00:00:03,980 --> 00:00:02,149 hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:06,470 --> 00:00:03,990 burns hear a word from future theater 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:06,480 and you know we like to listen to mm 4 00:00:14,330 --> 00:00:11,370 radio on sunday nights at 9pm at 9pm 5 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:14,340 what easier oh oh the best network on 6 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:16,800 the whole entire internet inception 7 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:18,630 radio network you're locked into 8 00:00:28,590 --> 00:00:21,480 inception radio network superior 9 00:01:18,950 --> 00:00:59,920 you 10 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:21,420 welcome to paying radio tonight is 11 00:01:28,020 --> 00:01:25,720 sunday april 12 2015 gotta do one shout 12 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:28,030 out to my little sister in Key West 13 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:30,729 Florida happy birthday sis and she's 14 00:01:35,639 --> 00:01:32,710 enjoying the Sun and in the life of Key 15 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:35,649 West and just from our pictures on 16 00:01:39,929 --> 00:01:36,940 facebook but happy birthday to you and 17 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:39,939 I'm here with my co-host can start today 18 00:01:44,279 --> 00:01:41,770 we have on Peter moon by the wig i Ken 19 00:01:45,810 --> 00:01:44,289 how are you hey I'm fine and I just want 20 00:01:49,020 --> 00:01:45,820 to have a quick shout out to loot Lynn 21 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:49,030 Simpson New Mexico George and Patty dug 22 00:01:56,430 --> 00:01:53,159 in Missouri and Marilyn and dick in 23 00:01:58,410 --> 00:01:56,440 Oklahoma yeah Marilyn also chimed in to 24 00:02:04,859 --> 00:01:58,420 on facebook she said she won the Miss 25 00:02:06,539 --> 00:02:04,869 ugly contest in Oklahoma she's got a 26 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:06,549 great sense of humor oh yeah and I and I 27 00:02:10,499 --> 00:02:08,769 got some shoutouts to uh thanks to our 28 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:10,509 fans on Facebook that follows we got 29 00:02:16,430 --> 00:02:14,049 marine um coming in from Pennsylvania we 30 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:16,440 got Clinton from Sacramento California 31 00:02:20,789 --> 00:02:19,090 Angela from Edmonton Alberta she loves 32 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:20,799 listening to Iran on the podcast she 33 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:22,450 mentioned Tonya and Michael from 34 00:02:26,849 --> 00:02:24,850 Melbourne Australia we listened to Irene 35 00:02:29,699 --> 00:02:26,859 most nights love all the shows Thank You 36 00:02:32,069 --> 00:02:29,709 Tanya yeah down under down under yet and 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:32,079 we got carry from my home cheese state 38 00:02:37,650 --> 00:02:34,090 of Milwaukee Wisconsin says ayran rocks 39 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:37,660 we have Carrie Jacobson from riverdale 40 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:41,560 Utah listening in to I RN and then we 41 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:43,450 have Dan McGregor from Long Beach 42 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:46,750 Mississippi body like though I want to 43 00:02:51,930 --> 00:02:49,480 say thank you to Lorna hunter hula pig 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:51,940 up der also appreciate your support and 45 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:54,370 efforts Lorna oh yeah Lorna Lorna is a 46 00:02:58,259 --> 00:02:56,620 big help in she's been helping us booked 47 00:03:01,800 --> 00:02:58,269 a lot of guests which we do appreciate 48 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:01,810 its it's nice to have the you know life 49 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:03,280 gets busy and sometimes it's nice to 50 00:03:06,809 --> 00:03:05,200 have people helping out it's definitely 51 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:06,819 a good thing that Lauren is doing for us 52 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:09,010 oh yeah absolutely she comes up with 53 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:11,890 some good ones so hat tip to Lorna 54 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:13,840 hunter and I like to do another shadow 55 00:03:17,610 --> 00:03:15,880 to 10 Lorna's a one other field 56 00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:17,620 investigators over there Susan helped 57 00:03:22,110 --> 00:03:19,660 helped us catch up as a state on our 58 00:03:26,699 --> 00:03:22,120 investigations cancel with with the work 59 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:26,709 of her I am myself and my state director 60 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:28,180 excuse me chief investigator mark 61 00:03:31,229 --> 00:03:29,560 o'connor we are on 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:31,239 top of the we're tied on the top of the 63 00:03:36,660 --> 00:03:35,170 MUFON investigations percentage right a 64 00:03:38,729 --> 00:03:36,670 hundred percent finally it took us a 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:38,739 long time to get into the list with John 66 00:03:43,229 --> 00:03:40,930 venture and all the big dogs now well 67 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:43,239 congratulations yeah tough tough work 68 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:45,250 but we're working on it maintaining it 69 00:03:49,949 --> 00:03:46,630 is another thing so we'll see how that 70 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:49,959 works I'll go over a few things here to 71 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:51,640 how to listen to iron you can download 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a new 86 00:04:32,159 --> 00:04:30,370 show premiering on monday at six pm 87 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:32,169 eastern April twentieth its centre of 88 00:04:36,659 --> 00:04:34,660 light radio with our new show host Keith 89 00:04:40,140 --> 00:04:36,669 Anthony Blanchard so he'll be going into 90 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:40,150 the topic of the unknown UFOs and 91 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:42,580 parallel universes anything he's going 92 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:43,750 to fit in wealth of network so 93 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:46,390 congratulations Keith and welcome to the 94 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:48,400 network that's what I got kin so you 95 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:49,900 have what's going on your side of the 96 00:04:54,029 --> 00:04:51,760 woods anything interesting well we've 97 00:04:58,020 --> 00:04:54,039 got a couple investigations that are 98 00:05:00,810 --> 00:04:58,030 going on and we also have a presentation 99 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:00,820 that the Oklahoma UFO paranormal team is 100 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:03,490 going to put on in August and we're 101 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:04,570 going to demonstrate some of the 102 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:06,190 equipment going to talk about some of 103 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:11,110 our cases and do how to properly cast a 104 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:13,120 footprint we have a forensic 105 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:16,090 anthropologist at work for the police 106 00:05:21,330 --> 00:05:18,070 department that's on our team bill mays 107 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:21,340 and he's going to demonstrate the proper 108 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:23,770 way of casting prints and a little bit 109 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:25,240 of the forensic evidence so it should be 110 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:27,970 real interesting that's pretty meat on 111 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:30,430 that yeah yeah he's a good guy to he 112 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:33,220 knows what he's doing right right yeah 113 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:34,600 that would be very interesting to see I 114 00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:36,639 just it's it's tough for us to get any 115 00:05:40,170 --> 00:05:38,440 meetings rolling up here for MUFON or 116 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:40,180 anything like that we just that the 117 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:42,310 distance in there's really only two of 118 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:43,310 us in the state action 119 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:45,290 working the cases and we're looking for 120 00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:47,170 more members in field investigators but 121 00:05:50,950 --> 00:05:49,520 I'd love to hit the city's hit one of 122 00:05:52,780 --> 00:05:50,960 Lorna's meetings one of these weeks i 123 00:05:54,130 --> 00:05:52,790 made a maid surprise her some night and 124 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:54,140 just pop them in her meeting yeah you 125 00:05:59,800 --> 00:05:56,090 should yeah she does a good job I've 126 00:06:02,020 --> 00:05:59,810 been a speaker oh it's been several 127 00:06:05,110 --> 00:06:02,030 years she invited me after to give a 128 00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:05,120 talk and she does a good job she puts a 129 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:08,000 lot of heart and soul into it so you 130 00:06:12,490 --> 00:06:10,580 should do that he gonna be a good it 131 00:06:14,470 --> 00:06:12,500 would be good to pop in on her yeah yes 132 00:06:16,690 --> 00:06:14,480 cities is only a couple hours south can 133 00:06:18,730 --> 00:06:16,700 so I mean it isn't too far of a drive I 134 00:06:21,370 --> 00:06:18,740 mean it down and back usually it's not 135 00:06:22,450 --> 00:06:21,380 too bad soul interstate hey MJ let me 136 00:06:26,190 --> 00:06:22,460 ask you something do you think there's 137 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:26,200 been an uptick in sightings concerning 138 00:06:32,890 --> 00:06:29,510 flying saucers 80 or whatever you know 139 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:32,900 we were as a state I believe we had we 140 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:34,910 had a little bit of between March 23rd 141 00:06:40,930 --> 00:06:37,940 and about March 30th we had a lot of 142 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:40,940 cases roll in and I noticed the CMS was 143 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:42,530 kind of getting a lot of reports so 144 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:43,730 there was a little I think there's one a 145 00:06:47,050 --> 00:06:45,740 little upswing you know and a lot of it 146 00:06:48,970 --> 00:06:47,060 I think has to do with the weather 147 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:48,980 changing up north especially so people 148 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:50,240 are getting outdoors and are actually 149 00:06:54,130 --> 00:06:51,470 looking up in the sky and you know 150 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:54,140 noticing strange objects and stuff that 151 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:55,670 is you know that doesn't look right you 152 00:07:01,240 --> 00:06:58,370 know like a normal airplane or device 153 00:07:03,250 --> 00:07:01,250 you can track right right well and the 154 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:03,260 reason why bring that up is because you 155 00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:05,120 know I've always felt since the 156 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:10,580 explosion of drones and the military you 157 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:12,770 know propensity to use drones and now 158 00:07:16,270 --> 00:07:14,660 you know everybody and his uncle seems 159 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:16,280 like they're flying a drone I'm just 160 00:07:22,210 --> 00:07:19,970 wondering if that hasn't been the the 161 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:22,220 cause of the uptick if you would right 162 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:24,380 right I I do get a lot of pictures 163 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:27,070 across the Google feed you know and 164 00:07:31,330 --> 00:07:29,360 they'll they'll say you know spaceship 165 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:31,340 flew by and stuff but if you desu min on 166 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:32,870 there they're basically there's a lot of 167 00:07:36,220 --> 00:07:33,890 drones you're right that's probably 168 00:07:38,050 --> 00:07:36,230 contributing to many of the sites and 169 00:07:39,910 --> 00:07:38,060 then then how do you know if it's is you 170 00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:39,920 know you drones you know you see 171 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:41,120 pictures on but how do you know it's a 172 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:43,130 drone you know in that picture I mean to 173 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:45,410 a person that's still gonna be a UFO but 174 00:07:49,550 --> 00:07:48,140 gonna be a man-made object right right 175 00:07:55,570 --> 00:07:49,560 and that you know I 176 00:07:57,860 --> 00:07:55,580 I think that you know the average person 177 00:08:00,980 --> 00:07:57,870 and I don't know if that creature really 178 00:08:04,670 --> 00:08:00,990 exist okay the average person fit right 179 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:04,680 but but people that have a tendency to 180 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:07,139 be aware of their surroundings including 181 00:08:11,690 --> 00:08:09,900 looking up in the sky and stuff I think 182 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:11,700 that most people would be you know 183 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:13,680 unless it was something extraordinary as 184 00:08:18,379 --> 00:08:15,240 far as a drone goes would be able to 185 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:18,389 make that determination that you know 186 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:23,370 what I'm looking at is a drone but you 187 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:26,790 know there are some good cases that are 188 00:08:29,540 --> 00:08:28,290 coming in a reason why I bring it up 189 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:29,550 because there are some good cases that 190 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:30,840 are coming in that I don't think are 191 00:08:36,170 --> 00:08:34,169 groans mm-hmm that I think are really 192 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:36,180 good descriptions of the structured 193 00:08:42,290 --> 00:08:39,570 craft which begs the question now is it 194 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:42,300 ours or is it there's an eight right 195 00:08:46,220 --> 00:08:44,370 okay because I think the military is 196 00:08:49,490 --> 00:08:46,230 really experimenting with some pretty 197 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:49,500 exotic technology right right so you 198 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:51,510 know you're right it's gonna it's gonna 199 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:53,520 make the reports a little bit different 200 00:08:58,910 --> 00:08:57,120 and you know I even I've even dealt with 201 00:09:00,500 --> 00:08:58,920 a few people that are flying drones and 202 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:00,510 stuff too and they're being very 203 00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:03,330 secretive about it because um and this 204 00:09:07,910 --> 00:09:06,030 one guy told me that he was technically 205 00:09:08,930 --> 00:09:07,920 helping out a realtor taking pictures in 206 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:08,940 it when he was getting handed money 207 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:11,100 under the table which is definitely 208 00:09:15,140 --> 00:09:13,170 illegal and I don't think you know but 209 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:15,150 well let's get to Peter here I'll read a 210 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:17,880 quick bio and Peter Peter was born in 211 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:20,160 San Fernando Valley excuse me San 212 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:21,750 Fernando Californian grew up in both 213 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:24,270 Southern and Northern California Peter 214 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:26,490 went out on his own in 1983 and moved to 215 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:28,230 Long Island where his background in 216 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:29,970 dealing with mind control the mind 217 00:09:33,710 --> 00:09:31,530 control phenomena and spiritual 218 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:33,720 liberation enabled him to forge an 219 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:35,880 association with scientists Preston 220 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:36,900 Nichols one of the world's foremost 221 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:39,089 experts in the world on electromagnetic 222 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:41,490 phenomena who has been involved in a 223 00:09:45,890 --> 00:09:43,350 strange experiment at the Montauk air 224 00:09:48,980 --> 00:09:45,900 force station on Long Island which 225 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:48,990 includes a minim manipulation that's the 226 00:09:52,820 --> 00:09:51,000 word I'm trying to say of time their 227 00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:52,830 collaboration on the Montauk Patrick's 228 00:09:56,540 --> 00:09:54,540 experiments in time and its subsequent 229 00:09:59,690 --> 00:09:56,550 sequels have now reached legendary 230 00:10:02,670 --> 00:09:59,700 proportions also that on a side note 2 231 00:10:05,970 --> 00:10:02,680 Peter moon has worked with John Ford and 232 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:05,980 did numerous interviews too so if I 233 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:07,810 throw if you go to the digital Montague 234 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:10,510 calm I will fill that page up in the 235 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:13,810 chat you can actually read some of his 236 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:16,510 research and articles on John Ford so we 237 00:10:19,710 --> 00:10:17,740 kind of want to get into John Ford 238 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:19,720 tonight too and i let peter know we're 239 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:22,360 going to kind of do that but let's add 240 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:24,790 them do the group here and get into a 241 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:27,910 deep here so we don't have to hear the 242 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:33,490 ringtone tonight need some jeopardy 243 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:42,100 music ya can have so I'm here good good 244 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:43,930 evening Peter this is MJ and I'm with my 245 00:10:48,930 --> 00:10:46,440 co-host Ken Storch welcome to the show 246 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:48,940 thank you how's the bigger thank you 247 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:51,190 thanks for coming up here you're welcome 248 00:10:56,940 --> 00:10:55,420 not now Peter um you have we will just 249 00:10:59,699 --> 00:10:56,950 get into john ford allah will kind of 250 00:11:01,110 --> 00:10:59,709 start there um no how did you start 251 00:11:02,610 --> 00:11:01,120 talking to John photograph when did you 252 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:02,620 start dealing with John Ford in his 253 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:08,740 situation all right I was called to a 254 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:11,410 meeting at the home of Preston Nichols 255 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:13,990 who lived in East Islip New York and one 256 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:27,690 1997 mm-hmm and the & John Ford was 257 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:31,180 there it was the first time I actually 258 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:34,600 met John and of course I knew who he was 259 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:36,940 very well because Preston Nichols was 260 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:41,110 the scientific advisor for the Long 261 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:43,570 Island UFO network which John Ford was 262 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:45,790 the president of and had founded it was 263 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:51,810 the most active organization for 264 00:11:59,190 --> 00:11:56,350 investigating UFOs sightings and perhaps 265 00:12:03,180 --> 00:11:59,200 more importantly UFO crashes of which 266 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:03,190 there were three major ones in history 267 00:12:10,319 --> 00:12:07,180 that John has dealt with now which would 268 00:12:13,890 --> 00:12:10,329 be just to name the center moriches UFO 269 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:13,900 crash the South Haven Park UFO crash and 270 00:12:21,580 --> 00:12:16,880 then the one that started the 271 00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:21,590 pine barren fires in or was associated 272 00:12:32,890 --> 00:12:25,600 with the pine barren fires in nineteen 273 00:12:39,630 --> 00:12:32,900 this must've been 95 I think the pine 274 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:39,640 barren virus type of 95 oh yes so now I 275 00:12:48,070 --> 00:12:44,330 was meeting John because he wanted to do 276 00:12:52,330 --> 00:12:48,080 a book and because I'm a book publisher 277 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:52,340 it was a natural fit for Preston to 278 00:12:57,340 --> 00:12:55,330 suggest me so I met with John in 279 00:12:59,290 --> 00:12:57,350 Preston's living room and we talked 280 00:13:01,480 --> 00:12:59,300 about this and was a congenial 281 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:01,490 conversation and of course John knew who 282 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:05,360 I was he'd heard plenty about me because 283 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:06,410 I'd written the montauk project 284 00:13:10,060 --> 00:13:08,330 experiments in time with Preston Nichols 285 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:10,070 and and some other books as well with 286 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:14,000 President so including one book on UFOs 287 00:13:18,370 --> 00:13:15,890 encounter in the Pleiades and inside 288 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:18,380 look at UFOs which is Preston Nichols 289 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:21,590 story of his involvement with UFOs so 290 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:23,990 Preston precedence relationship with 291 00:13:32,050 --> 00:13:26,470 John Doe was as a scientist which he is 292 00:13:33,580 --> 00:13:32,060 so of the conversation well we talked 293 00:13:37,210 --> 00:13:33,590 about maybe we'll do something we'll 294 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:37,220 talk about it etc etc but i received a 295 00:13:42,670 --> 00:13:40,490 phone call very soon thereafter from 296 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:42,680 preston nichols saying you don't have to 297 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:45,100 worry about doing a John Ford book 298 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:48,790 because he's just been arrested and 299 00:13:59,340 --> 00:13:55,850 taken away and this began my not only 300 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:02,110 association with John Ford because I 301 00:14:08,770 --> 00:14:06,590 began to investigate and chronicle the 302 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:08,780 case in my newsletter the Montauk pulse 303 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:11,110 which is a quarterly newsletter that I 304 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:15,170 have done since 1993 which was to cover 305 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:18,290 the events and circumstances of the 306 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:20,450 Montauk Project investigation and all of 307 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:21,770 the surrounding circumstances which 308 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:25,310 include John Ford hey Peter and I find 309 00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:27,860 the John Ford fascinating 310 00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:31,279 at what was he arrested for what were 311 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:34,959 the specific charges do you know well he 312 00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:37,010 specifically and this was put in the 313 00:14:44,170 --> 00:14:42,440 paper conspiring to kill and i'm not 314 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:44,180 using the legal charger i'm going to say 315 00:14:49,150 --> 00:14:45,560 but this is what the newspaper said he 316 00:14:52,990 --> 00:14:49,160 was he was charged with conspiring to 317 00:14:55,540 --> 00:14:53,000 murder the suffolk county executive john 318 00:14:57,130 --> 00:14:55,550 powell in other words the suffolk county 319 00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:57,140 executive is the in charge of the 320 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:00,079 politics of the county he's an elected 321 00:15:06,460 --> 00:15:04,850 official and john powell who was big in 322 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:06,470 the republican and conservative parties 323 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:08,420 of Suffolk County in New York which is 324 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:11,290 the easternmost County in on Long Island 325 00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:15,890 so he was conspiring to put radium in 326 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:18,320 John 4 and John Powell's toothpaste in 327 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:21,680 order to kill him and this was this was 328 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:25,310 basically what he was was that what was 329 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:28,850 all the fuss was about what was the 330 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:32,980 motive then that that John Ford 331 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:35,810 allegedly was going to me what was 332 00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:39,110 motivating John Ford why did he have a 333 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:41,390 will to commit murder against john paul 334 00:15:48,460 --> 00:15:44,870 well there there was no will to commit 335 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:48,470 murder on John Ford's part and the whole 336 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:51,760 set of circumstances which is you can uh 337 00:15:58,329 --> 00:15:54,050 people listening can read about in 338 00:16:08,230 --> 00:15:58,339 detail on the John Ford he wrote in at 339 00:16:11,439 --> 00:16:08,240 least an 80 page document a an 80-page 340 00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:11,449 doc 80 page plus document on the 341 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:20,120 circumstances that led him to uh I'm 342 00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:21,649 just having an interference here just a 343 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:24,320 second yeah there is nothing a problem 344 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,970 it does no it's okay it's an 345 00:16:33,699 --> 00:16:28,160 environmental situation it's okay now um 346 00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:33,709 I was saying is there's an 80 plus page 347 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:36,079 document on my website digital montauk 348 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:38,390 calm or the John Ford initiative Rick 349 00:16:41,319 --> 00:16:40,250 Smith's website which you can read all 350 00:16:44,019 --> 00:16:41,329 the details of 351 00:16:54,249 --> 00:16:44,029 of how this went down people should do 352 00:16:57,039 --> 00:16:54,259 that but yeah the UM so basically the 353 00:16:59,949 --> 00:16:57,049 there he was John Ford was set up and 354 00:17:02,639 --> 00:16:59,959 what had happened is he was working with 355 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:02,649 a man named Joseph Meza chelly and 356 00:17:10,919 --> 00:17:07,630 Joseph Meza celli has a very scurrilous 357 00:17:15,610 --> 00:17:10,929 history and past he's done time in jail 358 00:17:19,449 --> 00:17:15,620 including over this incident because he 359 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:19,459 was representing himself as a secret 360 00:17:25,090 --> 00:17:22,850 agent of the Mossad and he had certain 361 00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:25,100 information which convinced John Ford 362 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:29,870 that he was indeed an agent an 363 00:17:35,950 --> 00:17:33,200 intelligence agent & John Ford worked in 364 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:35,960 intelligence in an intelligence capacity 365 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:39,769 at st. John's University when he was a 366 00:17:46,810 --> 00:17:41,779 student there it should be stated that 367 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:46,820 John Ford was a retired court officer 368 00:17:55,690 --> 00:17:53,600 from Suffolk County and he went to 369 00:17:59,880 --> 00:17:55,700 school at st. John's which is in unkink 370 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:02,680 he had involvement and he writes about 371 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:06,530 it in the report now people fired who 372 00:18:10,510 --> 00:18:08,510 are critical of John horrible sale he 373 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:10,520 can't be a secret agent and they really 374 00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:13,370 the psychiatrist didn't believe it that 375 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:16,430 evaluated him I don't think the 376 00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:18,620 prosecutor certainly they accused him of 377 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:20,780 being nut because he's claiming to have 378 00:18:26,890 --> 00:18:24,080 an CIA connection and there was a 379 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:26,900 station officer and Staten Island who 380 00:18:32,350 --> 00:18:29,210 worked with John for who would not back 381 00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:32,360 him up and the only thing I can say is 382 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:35,540 that I have a personal friend who is an 383 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:38,600 attorney at law and Long Island here and 384 00:18:45,310 --> 00:18:42,650 he is a graduate of st. John's and he 385 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:45,320 told me when he was on the campus going 386 00:18:48,730 --> 00:18:47,690 to school the CIA not only tried to 387 00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,740 recruit him and they're trying to 388 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:50,960 recruit all sorts of people at the st. 389 00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:52,970 John's campus which is a Catholic 390 00:19:01,720 --> 00:18:58,450 University and so John Ford's statement 391 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:01,730 about having involvement as he was a 392 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:04,480 patriot trying to play 393 00:19:08,770 --> 00:19:06,590 counterintelligence against the Russians 394 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:08,780 but this is one of the the way 395 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:10,610 intelligence agencies will snag you 396 00:19:16,510 --> 00:19:12,680 they'll get you as an asset he was an 397 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:16,520 asset he was not a player deeply 398 00:19:21,850 --> 00:19:19,130 involved in the machination zuv the 399 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:21,860 bureaucracy of the CIA and what they'll 400 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:23,450 do is they'll gain you take you as an 401 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:25,480 asset convince you to do something for 402 00:19:29,230 --> 00:19:27,770 patriotism or whatever motive other 403 00:19:32,290 --> 00:19:29,240 motive you might have it may not be 404 00:19:34,570 --> 00:19:32,300 patriotism it could be greed or some 405 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:34,580 some other thing but John was very 406 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:37,610 patriotic and basically they set it up 407 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:41,080 so he could be completely disowned and 408 00:19:45,790 --> 00:19:43,220 sitting there with his thumb up his rear 409 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:45,800 end and made to look foolish if he ever 410 00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:50,090 claimed so a the station officer which I 411 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:51,740 believe he names by name in that report 412 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:54,770 i don't remember his name on staten 413 00:19:59,500 --> 00:19:57,050 island did not back him up which is not 414 00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,510 the first time the CIA has never backed 415 00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:01,600 anybody up but these are some of the 416 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,340 circumstances of which john so the 417 00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,320 motive the moat to get back to your 418 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:08,960 question which was the motive was that 419 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:12,290 joseph massey jelly was playing all 420 00:20:16,669 --> 00:20:13,370 sorts of 421 00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:16,679 games is playing games on John he was 422 00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:19,919 playing games on different levels and he 423 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,039 was trying to convince John to just say 424 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:24,720 make a joke we're going to make a joke 425 00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:29,220 just say it and I like they were being 426 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:30,870 monitored or something and they work 427 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:33,030 with was met Massa chili wearing a wire 428 00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:35,850 it sounds like he was working for some 429 00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:37,620 kind of law enforcement agency and they 430 00:20:46,399 --> 00:20:41,700 were setting John oh okay suffolk county 431 00:20:54,010 --> 00:20:46,409 police now i did this wire that this 432 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,020 wire was used to UM get him arrested 433 00:20:59,840 --> 00:20:57,120 basically but the whole wire has not 434 00:21:04,220 --> 00:20:59,850 been played in fact there's a man named 435 00:21:06,289 --> 00:21:04,230 Joseph soporto who was a very much he 436 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:06,299 did a good interview is well on the 437 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:09,770 subject he has the hole recordings 438 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:11,970 because he was recording them I think 439 00:21:16,340 --> 00:21:14,700 independently on his own radio because 440 00:21:18,620 --> 00:21:16,350 he worked at bro payment labs and he is 441 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:18,630 a bit like Preston Nichols when it comes 442 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:21,750 to strange technology but he has 443 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:24,360 recorded the entire court case is that 444 00:21:29,419 --> 00:21:26,450 what you're saying no recorded that the 445 00:21:32,539 --> 00:21:29,429 the wire transmissions the radio 446 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:32,549 transmissions oh my gosh so he the 447 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:36,179 police and he had a wad that's 448 00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:39,630 incredible yes and this is this is part 449 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:41,580 of what John would like to bring into 450 00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:45,210 court yeah I think I wouldn't to whom n 451 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:47,309 if there was some other I mean 452 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:50,250 additional information concerning that 453 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:52,530 it came from a different source hey I 454 00:21:58,279 --> 00:21:54,870 and Peter just what little I know okay 455 00:22:00,250 --> 00:21:58,289 we had Marilyn Carlson cuz she got 456 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:00,260 involved in the and talked to him for 457 00:22:05,060 --> 00:22:02,610 several sessions she supplied him with a 458 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,070 phone card as a matter of fact so she 459 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:07,440 could talk to him and from what little I 460 00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:12,840 know I think it was entrapment and okay 461 00:22:17,539 --> 00:22:15,179 I think I think he got railroaded I mean 462 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:17,549 that too i mean the least he was to say 463 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:19,950 the least he was he was railroaded but 464 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:25,470 the tragedy of this and had he taken a 465 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:26,730 plea 466 00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:29,130 had he been found guilty of whatever 467 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:31,559 they would have found him guilty of he'd 468 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:35,990 be out by now he's still incarcerated in 469 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:39,240 the mid huzaifa psychiatric clinic for 470 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,370 16 years or something isn't it yeah yeah 471 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:43,740 yeah that's incredible and and I don't 472 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:45,290 know if you know this or not but the 473 00:22:51,980 --> 00:22:48,720 Marilyn was a found out that the judge 474 00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,990 just recently ruled that leaving in 475 00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:54,720 flying saucers is not a grounds for you 476 00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:57,710 know incarceration into a mental health 477 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:00,419 facility and that's a damn good thing 478 00:23:06,530 --> 00:23:03,510 because I'd be I'd be hanging out well 479 00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:06,540 the judge said that that was a comment 480 00:23:11,659 --> 00:23:09,630 in my opinion which made the judge made 481 00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:11,669 him look non prejudice on the subject 482 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:15,660 but the point in fact he ruled with the 483 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:22,100 up with the staff of the mid-hudson 484 00:23:27,650 --> 00:23:25,260 Psychiatric Institute that basically 485 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,660 said that he wasn't suitable for release 486 00:23:31,549 --> 00:23:29,940 and this is the problem he in other 487 00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:31,559 words he wasn't going to go out on a 488 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:33,299 limb and say John Ford is not a danger 489 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:36,570 now there's a lot of political pressure 490 00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:39,809 involved in this situation now sounds 491 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,580 like it's important to understand that 492 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:44,400 the mid-hudson psychiatric clinic was 493 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:47,330 formerly known as the mid-hudson center 494 00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:48,809 psychiatric clinic for the criminally 495 00:23:56,150 --> 00:23:53,190 insane now this is dangerous violent 496 00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:56,160 criminals ax murderer type people and oh 497 00:24:02,419 --> 00:23:58,620 yeah Ted Bundy is your roommate John was 498 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:02,429 put in this facility as a very very 499 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:04,290 dangerous person he has no history of 500 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:06,570 being dangerous he does have a history 501 00:24:11,409 --> 00:24:09,210 of being litigious because he was a 502 00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:11,419 court officer he would sue people 503 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:14,429 including one man named Bill Nell who 504 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:19,010 was a a rival investigator who had some 505 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:22,710 ethical problems and John ran him out of 506 00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:25,950 the state he moved to Florida where his 507 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,240 his asset his home could not be 508 00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:32,400 garnished or taken away and he he he 509 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:35,070 spent close to fifty thousand dollars of 510 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:37,140 his own money on that case so jon was 511 00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:38,790 litigious 512 00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:41,700 he knew how to use the court system but 513 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:44,670 he would excuse me at the time of his 514 00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:46,200 arrest was he currently involved 515 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:48,120 investigating the one of the crash 516 00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:54,330 saucers yes yes one of the oh yeah and 517 00:25:05,140 --> 00:24:58,400 that's covered in the report this is the 518 00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:05,150 Pine Barrens Erin buyers that quite 519 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,340 possibly according to what what I don't 520 00:25:15,050 --> 00:25:13,320 remember that this is just strictly John 521 00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:15,060 or if it comes from Preston to I don't 522 00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:16,800 want to misquote anybody but basically 523 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:19,380 that there he is is that the the South 524 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:23,490 Haven argue the crash not South even 525 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:25,530 park the one in the Pine Barrens which 526 00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:28,890 is out near rocky point there was a 527 00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:33,030 crash it started a fire people fire 528 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,840 people were called there and then the 529 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:39,600 big accusation was that politicians had 530 00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:42,090 other five had other fires started and 531 00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:44,070 create Lee created this as an 532 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:47,070 opportunity to create fires in the Pine 533 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:50,730 Barrens so that they could take the Pine 534 00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:51,870 Barrens would be gone and then they 535 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:53,550 could capitalize and use this for real 536 00:25:58,690 --> 00:25:55,110 estate development right this is an 537 00:26:03,770 --> 00:25:58,700 accusation that was being done so 538 00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:03,780 Suffolk County politics are pretty 539 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:06,800 crooked now is as this story as I 540 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:09,840 continued to cover this story and become 541 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:11,790 very much involved in it i was visiting 542 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:16,650 john in the suffolk county jail which is 543 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:20,250 not a I mean you got it I never visited 544 00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:23,310 anybody in jail except one time in a in 545 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:25,350 a minimum-security installation well 546 00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:27,930 this was just a guy working I worked in 547 00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:30,420 one for ten months Jeff's acknowledged 548 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:32,820 it's not pleasant to sit that oh it's 549 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:36,810 not I said no to you know for R&R yes 550 00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:42,330 yes so anyway um John what what has this 551 00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:47,340 case happened over the years John Powell 552 00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:52,169 that one who was the alleged victim was 553 00:27:02,180 --> 00:26:58,070 found guilty and serve jail time for 554 00:27:05,109 --> 00:27:02,190 accepting illegal bribes for allowing 555 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:05,119 dumping at the Brookhaven town dump and 556 00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:10,190 also for running an illegal Chop Shop 557 00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,220 this is John Powell dad also compel 558 00:27:21,729 --> 00:27:16,080 former suffolk county executive who's 559 00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:21,739 now dead and mystics eternity who was 560 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:25,700 John Powell's right arm in this case 561 00:27:33,889 --> 00:27:29,159 James Patterson who is now dead too so 562 00:27:36,379 --> 00:27:33,899 with these two major agrement being dead 563 00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:36,389 why is this case so important to Suffolk 564 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:40,159 County who puts political pressure on 565 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:47,730 the the court and to not allow John to 566 00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:51,690 be free now this case because it made 567 00:28:00,229 --> 00:27:55,470 the newspapers it made the local news in 568 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:00,239 New York City it attracted the attention 569 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,289 of the Washington Post and they set up a 570 00:28:09,379 --> 00:28:07,200 reporter here to see what hell is going 571 00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,389 on well this is the craziest story in 572 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:11,279 the world and then the reporter who was 573 00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:14,970 a young reporter gets up here and I was 574 00:28:19,249 --> 00:28:17,460 probably the first person he spoke to 575 00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:19,259 and he came over to my house and 576 00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:24,779 interviewed me and I let him he and he 577 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,820 was so surprised to hear all these wild 578 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:29,340 and crazy things about Long Island not 579 00:28:33,889 --> 00:28:32,220 only the montauk project but flight 800 580 00:28:36,979 --> 00:28:33,899 and all the conspiracy behind the 581 00:28:39,739 --> 00:28:36,989 shooting down of flight 800 which was 582 00:28:42,139 --> 00:28:39,749 ruled a crash and that was a whole 583 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:42,149 scandal and there was another round and 584 00:28:48,139 --> 00:28:44,580 for do you think that's tied in with 585 00:28:51,889 --> 00:28:48,149 what John Ford was involved in as before 586 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:51,899 is that crashed Nash not 500 not flight 587 00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:55,830 800 okay but then there was another 588 00:29:02,690 --> 00:28:59,700 reporter on Long Island he was the only 589 00:29:05,299 --> 00:29:02,700 reporter to to do anything with this in 590 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:05,309 a sincere a journalistic way that's 591 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:06,000 jerry-san 592 00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:08,130 Eazy and Jerry samee she had worked for 593 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:12,660 the East End paper Dan's papers and did 594 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:14,490 serious investigations although that 595 00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:18,690 paper is a does pseudo stories all the 596 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:22,700 time funny stories by the proprietor and 597 00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:26,610 or the former proprietor Dan and anyway 598 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,920 but Jerry worked for that paper and did 599 00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:31,110 serious investigation on flight 800 and 600 00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:34,230 on the John Ford case and he did a lot 601 00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:39,480 of serious investigations so and there's 602 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:47,540 just so many which you call illogical 603 00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:52,650 hey hey Peter he do do we know who 604 00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:55,950 supplied John Ford with the radium he 605 00:30:06,440 --> 00:29:59,270 didn't have it himself you know I 606 00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:06,450 believe the radium was very it was low 607 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,080 grade it was used for calculate for 608 00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:12,600 calibrating geiger counters it was very 609 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:15,680 low grade I forget who supplied him I 610 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:20,610 want to say that it was this I think at 611 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:23,490 the I can't really say who did it i'm 612 00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:24,690 not going to go out on a limb and say 613 00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:27,630 who supplied it but he he did get some 614 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:30,300 right but it was very low low it was not 615 00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:32,610 going to and besides it was not going to 616 00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:34,620 kill this person because it would take 617 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:37,920 such a long exposure you don't sneak it 618 00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:39,750 in and do it in the toothpaste and doing 619 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:42,030 it I'm gonna say that sounds like labor 620 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:45,060 intensive to me use and low great I mean 621 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:46,740 trying to put that into a toothpaste I 622 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:48,930 don't know man it just doesn't get into 623 00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,850 the crust factory but you'd be poisoning 624 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:52,860 everybody else right you don't write in 625 00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,570 turn can we've uh we've reached our 626 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:56,580 first break you're listening to paying 627 00:30:59,720 --> 00:30:58,170 radio on the inception radio network 628 00:31:02,159 --> 00:30:59,730 we'll be right back with Peter moon 629 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:02,169 talking John for din naman top 630 00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:25,669 Oh 631 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:28,470 hello inception radio network listeners 632 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:31,270 this is Amanda remember you can take 633 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:33,130 your inception radio shows on the go 634 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,260 just download the inception radio 635 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:38,080 network app for 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00:34:51,090 our listeners to hear this I asked Peter 692 00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:54,930 if if John had because he didn't go to 693 00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,110 trial I mean there were some extenuating 694 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:00,660 circumstances had it gone to trial would 695 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:02,510 have been brought out especially this 696 00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,460 this recording that was also recorded by 697 00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,040 a second party unspin owns to the police 698 00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:11,640 department and he didn't go to trial he 699 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:15,180 took a plea bargain and Peter but why 700 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,890 don't you elaborate because that's what 701 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:19,440 I asked him on the break is you know did 702 00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,590 he did he cop a plea and it was a a plea 703 00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:25,440 to mental health right that's but 704 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,120 there's a precursor to that in the 705 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:29,040 search warrant they had when they raided 706 00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,810 his place was the date was after the 707 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:36,480 date was after the actual arrest to take 708 00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:39,330 in place alright so they had the search 709 00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:43,350 warrant was was either incorrect well it 710 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:45,270 was incorrect it wasn't there for it 711 00:35:48,350 --> 00:35:46,890 wasn't illegal search yeah it was 712 00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:48,360 invalidated they put the wrong date on 713 00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:51,870 at night and then they only source 714 00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:53,070 irvine they said it was a mistake 715 00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:57,390 however why would they be so imprecisely 716 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:01,020 was the first thing i noticed so in any 717 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:05,130 case um what what actually happened was 718 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:08,610 he was locked up without any genuine 719 00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:11,210 legal justification he wasn't arid 720 00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:13,320 interrogated by a psychiatrist from the 721 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:15,000 DA's office without his own attorney 722 00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:19,290 present this is illegal and this 723 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,120 psychiatrist by the way deemed him to be 724 00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,200 sane after over a year in jail his 725 00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:27,780 resistance were down to his his own 726 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:30,540 attorneys please which was John Ross to 727 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:32,220 have him except the mentally incompetent 728 00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:37,090 plea now John Ross ends up working 729 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:39,160 for the highway department become 730 00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:40,120 commissioner the highway department 731 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:41,980 which was all with john powell was 732 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:46,810 involved in so like after talk really 733 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:50,440 really bad in as far as having integrity 734 00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:54,330 uh this sounds like jimmy hoffa stuff 735 00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:58,870 exactly this demerit era he said that 736 00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:00,190 the attorney said would preserve his 737 00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:02,020 social security benefits and would avoid 738 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,220 a trial now john who has been drugged in 739 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:09,520 the meantime becomes more dough so he 740 00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:12,250 goes along with his attorney and as i 741 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,780 stated to you on the break although it 742 00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,760 completely violates one's constitutional 743 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:17,440 rights new york state has a statute that 744 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:19,030 allows prisoners to be administered 745 00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:21,550 drugs to ensure tranquility damn and 746 00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:23,500 that's sorry i've been evicted and he 747 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:25,480 has not demonstrated any violent 748 00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:29,770 behavior so then after accepting this 749 00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:31,480 plea while under the influence of drugs 750 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:33,400 coercion false imprisonment and 751 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:36,130 malicious malicious prosecution he was 752 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,690 sent to the mid-hudson forensic Center 753 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:39,760 for the criminally insane where he has 754 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:44,650 remained to this very day which is 2015 755 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:51,310 April that's now Peter how often I mean 756 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:53,010 I had actually a chance to talk with 757 00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:56,110 John myself for about 20 minutes I mean 758 00:38:01,710 --> 00:37:59,920 he sounds very competent I mean he did 759 00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:01,720 explain a lot of what was but said 760 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:03,880 tonight on the air how often do you talk 761 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:05,830 to him or in touch with him actually I 762 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:08,500 just called me he calls me usually every 763 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:12,580 Sunday as long as i'm home i take i'm 764 00:38:18,450 --> 00:38:14,230 able to take the call and talk to him we 765 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:18,460 had a shark to talk today and his 766 00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:20,530 current Attorney see no we go back into 767 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:24,880 that attorney got him locked away so 768 00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:27,880 what happened was between all this stuff 769 00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:31,060 with the Washington Post and and all of 770 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:34,300 this and then eventually John Powell 771 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:39,940 goes to jail uh the A&E channel thought 772 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:42,880 wow what a hot story John by the way is 773 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:47,020 got some documentary producer who wants 774 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,250 to meet John and wants to do a 775 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:50,480 documentary on the case and I don't 776 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:52,310 if this will happen he's going to talk 777 00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:55,730 to john about it probably this week but 778 00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,270 they the ante channel so wow this is 779 00:39:06,730 --> 00:39:02,000 going to make a great documentary so 780 00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:06,740 they hired an attorney whose specialty 781 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:11,540 is mental health cases and they hired 782 00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:16,310 her to go to work on this case and all 783 00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:18,740 of a sudden he dropped it like a hot 784 00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:21,500 potato potato because this case is very 785 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:24,500 sensitive that to certain people and 786 00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:27,170 it's we find it a little outrageous 787 00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:30,260 because the case should be dead it was 788 00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:32,540 Powell and catterson where the rands 789 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:34,190 ones that ran Suffolk County and we're 790 00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:36,920 pushing the police hey Peter is there 791 00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:38,750 any occasion than any of the Alpha bit 792 00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:43,220 boys from the feds are involved actually 793 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:46,940 there's an indication that the well it's 794 00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:50,650 not just an indication it's true the FBI 795 00:39:57,610 --> 00:39:55,550 was uh when they found out about this 796 00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,620 case and from my understanding it was 797 00:40:02,590 --> 00:40:00,320 through a one of Preston Nichols 798 00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:02,600 liaisons who I know and met with 799 00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,550 personally and who encouraged me to 800 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:06,800 write about this we called him the 801 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:12,610 colonel he services nuclear reactors and 802 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:17,810 he has a position in the government / he 803 00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:19,880 worked in special ops anyway this guy 804 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:25,280 said he said that well you know he got 805 00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:28,610 the FBI on to the case and the FBI well 806 00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,430 but actually in a good way the FBI went 807 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:33,200 and talked to John Powell because this 808 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:36,470 was a human rights violation now for all 809 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:38,690 of the nefarious things that the 810 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:41,210 government can be associated with there 811 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:44,030 is a core of people in the United States 812 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:45,610 government who believe in the actual 813 00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:47,330 principles of the United States 814 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:49,880 government and these include certain 815 00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:53,450 people in the CIA and FBI you mean they 816 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:55,070 believe in the Constitution and the Bill 817 00:41:00,580 --> 00:40:57,490 of Rights there are some people that do 818 00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:00,590 and well and we don't think it I thought 819 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:02,990 I was the only one well this is yeah I 820 00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:04,010 know that's fair 821 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:05,840 see it's like you can kiss them goodbye 822 00:41:13,390 --> 00:41:11,450 however these two agents went and talked 823 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:13,400 to John pal because this was an 824 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:18,730 unreasonable situation and he was so I 825 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:23,080 mean he was so damned arrogant and so 826 00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:28,850 pompous with these guys and so rude that 827 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:30,680 they said we're going to get this guy 828 00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,570 and that's how he ended up getting 829 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:34,880 caught as were the ChopShop operation 830 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:38,450 because the FBI stung him because he was 831 00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:43,910 an outrageous bombastic full and you 832 00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:46,700 know and you know he thought he was more 833 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:49,340 powerful than the FBI or that his 834 00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:52,490 connections in the government were more 835 00:41:58,330 --> 00:41:55,910 powerful as equal with the FBI yes and 836 00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:58,340 so that this tells you we're not dealing 837 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:01,760 with the FBI proper here or even the CIA 838 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:05,450 proper the average CIA person is a 839 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:12,410 bureaucrat uh and so you're dealing with 840 00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:14,570 the there's there's a book called the 841 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:19,400 secret team by uh Fletcher Prouty the 842 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:21,770 guy who Donald Sutherland plays in the 843 00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:25,010 movie JFK uh Fletcher Prouty talks all 844 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:27,590 about how the secret team that actually 845 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:31,250 runs the government but this is a secret 846 00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:35,930 secret team God and so this is what 847 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:38,630 we're dealing with here so anyway Andrea 848 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:41,260 Rizzoli was the attorney that any 849 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:45,230 channel hired and she they as they say 850 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:47,450 and he dropped it like a hot potato so 851 00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:51,110 John began to pay her a reduced rate out 852 00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:55,340 of his salary that he gets our pension 853 00:42:59,650 --> 00:42:57,260 that he gets as a retired court officer 854 00:43:02,740 --> 00:42:59,660 they've confiscated his social security 855 00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:02,750 to pay for his incarceration but he 856 00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:04,580 still gets his pension which is not a 857 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:08,480 catch and he has been able to pay her a 858 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:11,930 modest sum however she stayed on the 859 00:43:17,499 --> 00:43:15,080 case and she screwed up the case so bad 860 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:17,509 on many different levels 861 00:43:25,149 --> 00:43:20,689 and the way she screwed up the case 862 00:43:27,879 --> 00:43:25,159 first was by when so let me explain when 863 00:43:31,089 --> 00:43:27,889 he he doesn't go to an ordinary trial he 864 00:43:34,539 --> 00:43:31,099 goes to a trial with a judge that's 865 00:43:40,179 --> 00:43:34,549 ruling on mental health capacity but it 866 00:43:43,389 --> 00:43:40,189 is a judge and the also the Institute 867 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:43,399 mid-hudson will do a review every two 868 00:43:48,879 --> 00:43:45,649 years to determine whether he's should 869 00:43:50,949 --> 00:43:48,889 remain in there or be released to be 870 00:43:55,749 --> 00:43:50,959 released at all of them being released 871 00:43:57,969 --> 00:43:55,759 to a less less harsh environment where 872 00:44:01,179 --> 00:43:57,979 like maybe a halfway house or so well 873 00:44:06,429 --> 00:44:01,189 yes yes exactly but every time the rule 874 00:44:08,849 --> 00:44:06,439 they rule to keep him in there as if 875 00:44:11,499 --> 00:44:08,859 he's dangerous and that the local 876 00:44:13,449 --> 00:44:11,509 psychologist there are the ones that are 877 00:44:16,089 --> 00:44:13,459 higher they never give him good reports 878 00:44:19,029 --> 00:44:16,099 and their suspect into and of themselves 879 00:44:21,099 --> 00:44:19,039 like they're on the tanker subject so in 880 00:44:23,049 --> 00:44:21,109 any case and John doesn't have rights 881 00:44:25,209 --> 00:44:23,059 because he's not considered competent so 882 00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:25,219 he doesn't have the ordinary rice that a 883 00:44:29,459 --> 00:44:27,529 ordinary citizen would even that 884 00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:29,469 ordinary criminal would have more rights 885 00:44:35,709 --> 00:44:32,179 a convicted criminal would have more 886 00:44:37,629 --> 00:44:35,719 rights than John Ford so this is an 887 00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:37,639 unfortunate situation so what would 888 00:44:44,769 --> 00:44:42,859 happen is she to listen to the rest of 889 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:44,779 this interview please go to inception 890 00:44:49,569 --> 00:44:47,569 radio network calm and register for the 891 00:44:51,669 --> 00:44:49,579 insider's club what is the insider's 892 00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:51,679 club the insider's club is our premium 893 00:44:57,479 --> 00:44:54,529 content what you just listen to now what 894 00:45:00,159 --> 00:44:57,489 you just listen to is a preview of that 895 00:45:02,349 --> 00:45:00,169 premium content the insider's club is 896 00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:02,359 how we pay the bills that's how you 897 00:45:08,949 --> 00:45:05,630 support ire and you joined forces with 898 00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,959 irn 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